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July, on Feb. 1
Welcome to the newbies; this is definitely the place you're looking for! Seems like many of us have had this a LONG time. Congrats, ROBBI, you give me hope! That should be a lot less worry for you, and obviously a lot less paper-chasing! You deserve the rest. I have an appt. with a new GP next week. I'm told he's a good listener and works with people who don't have insurance. I'm going to start documenting everything towards the day I may need it. Including next month's rheumy appt. Guess I should visit the SS site again and get some guidelines. DEE, I miss gardening and preserving everything too. My lease here isn't up until July (no room to garden), but we're already planning what we can plant in the fall. All we have to do is find the perfect house this summer. Weather is mild here this week, but that doesn't seem to make a difference to my body. I think I'm worse when work irritates the snot out of me!!! Thankfully, I have Wednesdays off. I can do anything 2 days at a time, right?? Finally got a microwave; heating rice bags helps a lot. I alternate with the ice. I sure miss my "bags" while I'm at work! (Wouldn't that look funny?!?) HUGS to you all.
Richard Feb. 1st 2005
Hello again all of you great people, thank you for making me feel welcome. I really am new at this and hope to be able to keep posting.
I seem to feel more and more tired with each passing day.
I have a list of things that need done, but am exhausted just writing the list.
I temporarily have braud band internet service with Com Cast,
I have been putting off calling them about my e-mail with them not working.
That is # 2 on my list after closing this post and making breakfast for my little girl.
I also have been putting off filling out the Representative Payee report from Social Security, it is required for my children to get there benefits continued.
It is so overwhelming, as is preparing our Income tax return.
I wonder how you all do it, I don't like the thought of getting everything ready for my Tax Preparer, it takes me for ever.
I really appreciate the support here take care , from Richard
Richard Feb. 1st 2005
Hello again all of you great people, thank you for making me feel welcome. I really am new at this and hope to be able to keep posting.
I seem to feel more and more tired with each passing day.
I have a list of things that need done, but am exhausted just writing the list.
I temporarily have braud band internet service with Com Cast,
I have been putting off calling them about my e-mail with them not working.
That is # 2 on my list after closing this post and making breakfast for my little girl.
I also have been putting off filling out the Representative Payee report from Social Security, it is required for my children to get there benefits continued.
It is so overwhelming, as is preparing our Income tax return.
I wonder how you all do it, I don't like the thought of getting everything ready for my Tax Preparer, it takes me for ever.
I really appreciate the support here take care , from Richard
Dee ~~~ Tuesday February 01
RICHARD...I'm right there with you on the filling out forms and taxes and
fixing a meal and getting up and...and...and. I'm thinkin' we all are. If
there's one thing I've learned, it's, what I don't get done today, will
still be there tomorrow. I try and put the important things (like anything
to do with money) first on my list. I make myself accomplish ONE THING A
DAY. If I get two things done..whoo hoo, look at me go!!! I assume you are
a stay at home Dad? I've also learned not to assume too many things so I'm
sorry if I'm wrong. I just think there aren't enough stay at home Dad's. No
matter what the reason, at least your little girl has you there. I had a
stay at home Dad. He was a farmer and rancher so he never got to leave to
go to work. Those were good memories.
Take care Richard and lean on us. We'll lean on you too.
Gentle Hugs....Dee
Dee ~~~ Same Day
Oooopps...forgot me face!!!! Dee
Richard..... 2/2/05
Dee... Thank you for responding as well as your kindness & understanding.
I am a stay at home dad, you are correct. My main problem is,
I can't seem to give enough quality time to my little girl, because I'm always running to try to get things done,
I'm told that I don't manage my time well. I too try to prioritize, money matters are usually first because we have so many finacial demands,
I need to keep up with the checkbook register at least every other day or I'm lost.
I some times wish I had a secretary to help me keep it all striaght. Many days I regret putting finances first, I want to enjoy my children & my life but ,
I'm so overwhelmed and fatigued there is nothing left for the most important part of my life, my family.
Thanks for being here and listening.... Gentle Hugs.... Richard
Leighanne
Hi....I was recently diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and I am beginning to think I have fibromyalgia as well. I also have severe TMJ and costochondritis. I recently have learned that those two conditions, as well as CFS, go hand-in-hand with FMS. I have a lot of the symptoms of FMS and most recently have begun to have a lot of tingling and pins and needles (sometimes painful) throughout my body.
I have read that this is also a symptom. Is it a very common symptom of FMS? Thanks for any replies you can give me.
mariah 25
mymichelina 02/02/05
Hi Everyone! Long time no talk. It is great to see new people here....I remember how welcomed I felt when I started here. It was something I really needed. And I like the "kick back" attitude of everyone. No pressure to respond to everything, understanding that although we read everyday...there are many days that it is too overwhenlming to even think of posting! LEIGHANNE...I went through a period of time where I had tingling and prickly feelings in my hands...drove me nuts! As with many symptoms of Fibromyalgia, it has gone to be replaced by other pains. I also have TMJ...it is so bad that I only eat soft foods because it is to painful to eat, I sure miss crunchy food! My pain is both upper and lower jaw and radiates to my ears...especially on my left side. You would think I would lose weight, not eating much and being on the prescription laxative that sends me to the restroom 7-10 times a day...but not an ounce! This DD does not let me have anything positive happen in my life! LOL I have been diagnosed with CFS as well, I have "reactivated chronic Epsten Barr Virus" according to my blood work. RICHARD..I bet being male is even more difficult with this disease....those who have heard of Fibromyalgia usually associate it with females I know the feeling and guilt of not giving enough to your children. I feel that way everyday as well, I have 3 kids. I am the one responsible for the bill paying and in recent months have gotten many a late fee for not paying a month at a time. Even though I thought I paid it! SSSSSHHHH, don't tell my husband! JULY....I cannot live with out my microwave heating bean bags. One for my feet and one at my belly for warmth. They get a workout! ROBBI...I cannot imagine getting an injection in my elbow...I have had several in my hip...that hurt badly enough. I get vertigo alot, I use a cane when I go out so if I lose my balance I have some stability. BARBJ...I am glad physical therapy works for you.....I tried water aerobics for Fibromyalgia patients and I could not handle it...the water hurt my hip and hands soooo badly...weird I know. I can't imagine an actual massage..at times I cannot stand to be touched. LINDAG...my pets are a godsend to me...sometimes they are competitive for my attention but they keep me company and give me so much love. I have a large dog and three cats. KATIELADY...I feel the same way about the wall...it is a great support system. DAN...you seem on top of the medication side of this disease, I have recently been put on Cymbalta...what if anything have you heard about this drug? Thanks for the info if you have it! ELIZA.....I had similar experience..I was diagnosed 3 years before it began to get so much worse I could no longer work and became barely functional. I am on the Tramadol and a muscle relaxer too, as well as many others. I cannot imaging working...and having a 5 year old...you must be very strong. Well gosh I think I have taken up enough room on this wall today...I will return to my lurking self coming to read everyday. Thank you all for being a constant source of support!
BonBonshortnsweetWed, Feb 02, 2005
Hello All.......& Welcome Richard. This is a great place to let all your feelings out. As far as priorities, yes, #1 to most of us with children, or spouses is to try to spend time with them. It always seems to be a chore when you don't feel good. I seem to be back again with lots of pains. My carpal tunnel in my hands are annoying me again. Had some more shots....but, it doesn't seem to be good enough. I am feeling a bit stressed, tired, and in pain again. Winter blues....go without saying. It is very hard, but I am trying to cope. Reading everyones comments on the wall helps. Well, hope to get away with hubby in April for our 25th anniversary to celebrate. That seems to get me through these days. Take care all....lots of hugs & warmth. Bonbonshortnsweet.
BonBonshortnsweetWed, Feb 02, 2005
Back again!! Thank you all for the Birthday Wishes!!! Hugs.....
Robbi-Feb2
Hi everyone. I went to get a massage today. It was great, but when I got off the table the vertigo was pretty intense...I've been kind of sideways since then. I've also been experiencing intense heat (then I sweat all over) then I'm cold...my temperature regulation is broken...Hopefully I'm better tomorrow for the big seminar.
Richard, it is really hard to get things done with this disease. One of the dr.'s I went to said to do 50% every day--if you feel good, only do 50%, if you feel bad, try your best to do 50%...Sometimes its not really 50%, it's just getting one particular thing done for the day...Also, I am a firm believer in the "nap". If I have to take a "nap" when I first get up in the morning, I do it. If I don't and push through the day, I usually have worse symptoms for the next couple of days. I usually try to nap in the afternoon. I've become much more efficient since doing this--I usually get a "second chance" to get things done later in the day. Fortunately, my son just turned 18, and I didn't get sick until a few years ago. The biggest adjustment was learning to think differently--no more type A personality!
For me my family is most important--I'd rather make everyone and everything else wait...sometimes I only get 5 or 10 minutes in with my son, but I try to be there for those few minutes. I've never understood what "quality" time is. Sounds like a lot of pressure to me! Better to be consistent.
Have a good one.
BonBonshortnsweetWed, Feb 02, 2005
Hi All: I just wanted to post an informative site, which may be of some interest to some people. I receive acupuncture, and find that it relaxes me, and energizes me. Enj
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Acupuncture: A Healing Option For Fibromyalgia and More ImmuneSupport.com
02-02-2005
By Leena Sikand-Cook
SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Acupuncture is one of the oldest, most commonly used medical procedures in the world. Originating in China more than 4,000 years ago, acupuncture gained the attention of the American public after President Nixon's trip to China in 1972.
James Reston was a New York Times reporter traveling with Nixon and received acupuncture in China after undergoing an emergency appendectomy. He was so impressed with the procedure's ability to relieve his postoperative pain that he wrote about his experience upon returning to the United States.
Acupuncture was formally recognized as part of mainstream medicine's range of healing options in 1997, when the National Institutes of Health issued a statement documenting its safety and efficacy for a range of health conditions. According to NIH, "acupuncture is effective in adult post-operative and chemotherapy nausea and vomiting and in post-operative dental pain. There are other situations such as addiction, stroke rehabilitation, headache, menstrual cramps, tennis elbow, fibromyalgia, myofascial pain, osteoarthritis, low back pain, carpal tunnel syndrome and asthma where acupuncture may be useful as an adjunct treatment or an acceptable alternative or be included in a comprehensive management program."
So, how can sticking needles into the body help treat so many conditions? A new theory making a connection between acupuncture and endorphins helps explain a part of this mystery.
Experiments with acupuncture have shown that there are higher levels of endorphins in cerebrospinal fluid following acupuncture. Endorphin, abbreviated from "endogenous morphine," is an endogenous opiate produced naturally in the body.
Endorphins are renowned worldwide as anti-stress hormones that relieve pain naturally. It has been confirmed that endorphins have both neurological and spinous effects. Among the various functions of endorphins are its capabilities to enhance the immune system (by activating NK cells), improve blood circulation, control pain and ward off the effects of aging.
The "runner's high" experienced after a vigorous workout is because of a surge in the blood-endorphin level. When endorphins are low, people feel more anxious and are more aware of pain. They have an appetite for fat and fatty foods and chocolate because it gives them pleasure and they notice a mood change.
Dr. Bruce Pomeranz, of the University of Toronto, was the first to publish that there was a connection between acupuncture and endorphins. He has spent 20 years researching the acupuncture-endorphin theory. According to his hypothesis, acupuncture stimulates peripheral nerves that send messages to the brain to release endorphins, which then block pain pathways in the brain.
Another study in New Jersey had acupuncture patients monitored using functional magnetic resonance imaging. Pain- related brain activity decreased in all patients who received electrical stimulation to acupuncture points.
Acupuncture treatments have lowered blood pressure and in certain instances have effectively treated a disorder called cardiac ischemia, which is caused by inadequate supply of blood to the heart muscle cells. Research done by Dr, John Longhurst at the University of California, Irvine, shows this effect on the cardiovascular system is also because acupuncture activates the endorphin system.
Endorphins released into the body have a relaxing effect, reducing stress and anxiety. They also affect the digestive and hormonal system so acupuncture can help rebalance the organ systems (e.g. metabolism) that are running slow.
Another important role of acupuncture has been in the treatment of substance abuse. It is widely used in detoxification programs in the United State and worldwide. Substances such as morphine and heroin stimulate activity at cell receptors normally stimulated by endorphins. Once the substances are withdrawn, the body must once again begin manufacturing the supplanted endogenous opioids, which is in part responsible for the painful withdrawal symptoms. Acupuncture is said to relieve withdrawal symptoms by triggering the body to produce more endorphins, thus bringing it back to equilibrium.
Increased endorphin production has been shown to affect the release of a gonadotropin-releasing hormone and lower stress hormones responsible for infertility. Patients undergoing IVF therapy are increasingly combining acupuncture treatments with the conventional medical procedures to increase the success rate of the IVF procedure.
Acupuncture has been around for more than 4,000 years originating in China but many other countries such as Japan, Korea, Vietnam and France have adopted this system of medicine and modified it in their own ways to form several different styles of acupuncture. Yet the explanation for how acupuncture works has long been a mystery for most Western doctors.
An advantage of the acupuncture-endorphins theory is that it fits the Western medical model and doctors are buying into it. A 1998 study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, for example, showed that medical doctors refer their patients to acupuncturists more than any other "alternative" care provider; the same study also revealed that 51 percent of medical doctors believe acupuncture to be efficacious and of value.
However, endorphins are only a part of the explanation of how acupuncture works. The acupuncture-endorphins theory does not explain how acupuncture can treat nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy and early pregnancy. Additional research is needed to provide definitive answers.
About the author:
Leena Sikand-Cook is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in North Carolina and Tennessee. Before opening her new practices in Asheville and Knoxville, she was a professor of Chinese medicine for several years. For more information, go to www.healthybodysoul.net
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July, on Feb. 3
ROBBI, you are very wise. I too set one main "project" for myself on my days home, and anything else is gravy. Today, even though I'm working, my project is back on the treadmill. I was faithful to it for years and my body misses it. It warms and loosens my muscles. Had to stop when the Doxepin was making me sick, and for some reason, getting back on is scary! But I know it will alleviate half my pain. And naps! Even 20 minutes, like I did before dinner yesterday, renews and helps a lot. I sill wound up in bed by 8:00, but I overdid yesterday. RICHARD, you learn to pace yourself. And even my sweetie can say, "You look pale. Go take a power nap and we'll talk later." And my boss is learning that I retain things better in the A.M., so learning new programs is a morning activity. Afternoons are "foggy." By the way, I think your daughter is fortunate to have you at home! Is there a partner, or are you a single dad? Partnership sure helps me. I'd be living on a curb if not for Darrell, because I just can't do it ALL anymore! "Type A" went right out the window! But you know what? I like this better. I'm happier. HUGS to all.
July again, on Feb. 3
P.S. RICHARD, I realize you've had FM for a while, so maybe I should have said you learn to "forgive" yourself. Life isn't about what you get done. It's about how you spend your time. Nobody on their deathbed ever said, "I wish I could work one more shift." They say, "I wish I'd spent more time with my daughter." And you're doing that. So about the rest of it, you say, "It's okay." Just because MOST people run themselves into the ground doesn't mean that's how it's "supposed" to be done, does it? HUGS
Starr in WV 2/3/05
Good morning. I only have a few minutes before I need to go to work but I wanted to respond to a couple of the posts RICHARD - I am new to the wall I think since you came originally and it's good to meet you. My sister is a widow but she has been having some health problems, both physically and mentally, so to take some stress off her, she has arranged to have her finances taken care of by someone else, I think it's an accounting firm, I know it's not a friend of family member. They take care of paying her bills each month and give her so much a week (whatever she arranged for) for her to spend. That way she doesn't have to worry any more about forgetting to pay something. She says it costs her I think around $30 a month but to her the peace of mind was worth it, plus she feels she probably wasted that much before either in spending money she shouldn't or in late fees. Also, I'm working on my things to do calendar for the next few months so I can put down things I want to do but may forget. And I agree with the other, try to do get one "have-to" done each day and hopefully at least one "want-to" thing. As July said, the rest then is gravy. A comment to everyone, simplify, simplify, simplify - the local Goodwill or church rummage sale would love all those clothes and shoes you don't wear anymore because they aren't comfortable; all those knick knacks (I don't care if your mother in law did give them to you) that you don't want to dust; I have been "purging" my house for the past six or seven years (I can't work that fast) and it certainly has helped me both mentally and physically. If you want some good ideas about that, watch a show on TLC called CLEAN SWEEP. When the organizer starts helping people get rid of some of their stuff, some real psychological issues start coming up. It has been a very helpful show to me, plus you get some really good ideas.
Got to go. I'll try to tell you about my runing away from home yesterday. Everyone - be good to yourself today, you deserve it.
Robbi Feb 3
Hi all. Woke up feeling better than yesterday, not so much vertigo. Looks like its a go for me today to drive to Silverthorne and attend the seminar! Yahoo! I am excited...
bonbon--I used to get accupunture once or twice every month. First I was treated for my asthma which actually went into remission for a time. He then moved to a different town. I found another accupunturist when I was exercising and healthy, and very much super woman (and had some $$). I went consistently for over a year. My accupunturist then moved to Washington. When I started getting sick, and especially when I couldn't work any more, I went to another accupunturist. She was good, but was very radical about taking medications. We would "argue" about amitryptoline (sp?) and prozac. Part of her practice involves drying "addicts" out, and getting people off medications, alcohol, drugs, etc. We just did not see eye to eye. Also, she wanted to see me a couple of times a week, indefinately. Just couldn't justify it OR afford it. There is another woman in the valley that has a great reputation, and I've been considering going to see her. I just do NOT want to go more than once a month! But I definately think accupunture works, especially for pain.
Hi July...I know what you mean about the treadmill. These days I don't seem to know where I am in "space"--not as stable on my feet. I always feel like the treadmill is going to toss me off, just like a cartoon character!
Later all
Richard..in Tucson, Az. 2/3/05
Hi good morning:
Thank you all for everything you said as advice, support, guidence &
other mics. information.
I am very happy to realize the good this wall does. I wish I found you wonderful people earlier,
I thank God I have you. I have very little time this morning to contribute to you all,
I really want you to Know how much you are appreciated.
I'm not sure if I will be able to post the next couple of days, they will be very busy for me.
Thanks again Gentle Hugs......Richard
CindySue/native
My first attempt at support. I welcome anyone who will listen. I have had symptoms of FMS for 3 years now and I am 38. I work 2 jobs and my husband and I are raising 2 very active teens. This is starting to take too big a toll on everything from family to friends to work. I have doctored all along with little or no results. My rheumatologist has been a waste of time and money. Now my primary doc wants to put me on prozac cause my blood work is fine and he can't see a reason for my extreme fatigue. I have never really spoken with anyone that has what I do. I have talked to people that said their doc said they have it cause they have this pain or that pain which can't be explained. It is over diagnosed. I have such debilitating pain from head to toe on a daily basis ( not to mention all the other complications ). I have a couple of breaks in between jobs and I am reduced to setting an alarm and falling asleep to get through the day. Thank you for reading if you did and I hope someone can respond cause I really need to communicate with people that understand. I am thankful for what I have every single day but I just can't seem to function well anymore. Please don't label me negatively based on this posting. I am not. I am just desperate for help. CindySue/native
Dee ~~~ February 03, 2005
CINDYSUE/native.....One thing you won't get here is LABELED. We all live the
same lifes differently. I admire you for all you do daily. Wow, 2 jobs and
teenagers also. I've said several times, I'm so thankful I got my kids
raised before this hit me. I tend to agree with you on the over diagnosing
of FMS. But at the same time, it tends to be a catch all diagnosis because
we demand a name for our condition. What do we do?....Sigh. Anyway, welcome
to the Wall and I know you'll make many friends here. There are such good
people that come here to look for and give, comfort and support.
ROBBI....have a great time at the seminar. It's so exciting when there are
plans we get to keep and enjoy. Fill us in when you get back.
STARR IN WV.....I love that show CLEAN SWEEP. And you are right....SIMPLIFY!
So welcome to all the NEWBIES. I must go and finish whatever it was I
started before I sat down here at this computer. I get so side tracked, so
easily.
Gentle Hugs....Dee
DEB/TX 11:00 PM FEB 03, 2005
Hi all....some of you got this note this morning....so I apologize for the repeat to you. Right now I am totally out of energy and need a lot of love, support and prayers from all that can send them my way.
My dear friend of many years...her name is RENEE'....is very ill and on life support.
I spoke with her on Thursday and she did not sound good and told me she just wanted to sleep.
By later that evening she was in a non responsive state. She lives with her parents and they tried to get her to eat dinner and she was unable to hold her silverware and said she just wanted to go back to bed.
Those were the last words she spoke. At 4:00am they could not get any response from her and called 911.
By Friday afternoon they were transferring her from a regular room to ICU because they still were unable to get any kind of response out of her.
In transport she started seizing. She had constant seizures for the next 11 hours. No seizure meds stopped the seizing so they sedated her into a heavy coma. The seizures finally stopped and they have not returned.
We still have no idea what has caused all this...she is on mega doses of all antibiotics know to man. She is on life support due to the deep coma so there are a lot of tests they can not do, and there is no way for us to know the extent of any damage to her brain at this point. The tests they can do are not accurate because of all the antibiotics she has been on.
They took her off all the deep sedation 2 days ago and we were hoping for some response to human voice or touch yesterday (Wednesday)...none yet.
I am having her choir director from her church take her up some music today and her boys bring her some of her favorite music and maybe this will reach her inner mind where our voices do not seem to reach.
Anyway if you could please keep her in your thoughts, and prayers and send me some energy to keep going I would greatly appreciate it.
I am trying to take care of me and stayed home late today to get some extra ZZZ's but it is hard...so I am off to the hospital....and now it is almost the next day as I arrive back home.
Her status is about the same...we hope to be able to do a MRI on Friday and maybe that will be able to give us some info on her brain.
THANKS to all who have already sent your notes, thoughts, prayers and good wishes. I am hanging in there....I know my crash day is just around the corner, but her family members will be back in town by Saturday...so send me a little more energy to make it till the weekend....THANKS ALL.
NEWBIES welcome...hope to get to know you soon. BIRTHDAY FOLKS...enjoy your day and rejoice!
I Miss my computer time, daily chats and readings of THE WALL...know that I think of you all and I will be back...SOON I hope with good news!! Love DEB
BonBonshortnsweetFriday Feb. 04, 2005
Hi All: I am still up......can't sleep. Feeling so lonely, but have my favorite friend, my computer. When I have insomnia......I like to, "Navigate & Surf", The Web. Kind of weird, but, I usually find interesting articles to read. Hope you don't mind, I think this is sharing week for me. When I see an article that might help others......I like to share it. Well.....talk tomorrow, maybe in early afternoon, hah!! Hugs....BonBon
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Why Seeing is Not Always Believing
By Carol Sveilich, MA
Has someone ever said to you, _ You look great! _ while inside you felt fatigued or were in profound pain? People who live with ongoing pain and chronic health challenges face this sort of dilemma every day. Because chronic pain does not manifest outwardly, people sometimes have a difficult time believing that a person with a healthy appearance and lively demeanor can be experiencing so many profound symptoms and limitations.
Well-meaning acquaintances and family members who say, _ but, you look fine, _ can often unleash a sense of anger or compound the feelings of isolation in those of us who live with physical challenges that are hidden from view. It would be nicer to hear, _ I cannot imagine the difficulties you are experiencing. You are incredible! _ or _ I didn _ t know you were dealing with such challenges. How can I help? _ or _ You certainly make it look easy, but it must not be easy at all. _ Acknowledging the condition, rather than belittling or dismissing it, is always welcomed.
Unfortunately, no instruction book exists to guide people living with such ongoing challenges. People with chronic symptoms must sometimes learn to adapt to new routines or limitations. There was a time in our lives when we would promptly recover from illness, but now we find ourselves riding a wave of symptoms that wax and wane and never quite go away. This is a tricky ride to maneuver, especially for someone who is accustomed to experiencing decent health and a prompt recovery.
Living with Pain
For some, the most challenging aspect of living with ongoing pain is not having control over whether or not we will have a nice day. It is sometimes impossible to make plans, commit to vacations, or even take a trip to see a movie. This lack of control over symptoms can leave you feeling as though you live within the body of an unpredictable stranger. Nazi concentration camp survivor and psychiatrist, Viktor E. Frankl, compared his loss of control in prison to that of a person imprisoned in a body with chronic illness. His inspiring attempt to control attitude _ if not circumstances _ is one that can easily apply to the growing population who live with chronic pain.
Many individuals do not give in to their pain or illness. When faced with strenuous situations, they tend to push themselves beyond their comfort level. As a result, they pay a high price for overexertion, which often aggravates the condition or illness. Symptoms may worsen for days or even weeks. Sometimes having a good day is simply having a day that is realistically paced. Honoring limitations is one of the most difficult challenges for those whose lives are invaded by pain. We tend to move beyond our comfort levels into a more psychologically comfortable space so that we appear normal and perfectly capable. Over time, we must learn the fine art of managing our condition and learning to say no to many of the activities and chores most people take for granted.
Some people who live with chronic conditions and the associated limitations grow tired of being tired. They sometimes decide to challenge their limitations or override their limitations by the sheer force of their willpower. Some people have the mental determination but lack the corresponding physical stamina. It _ s as if the mind and physical body vibrate at different frequencies and race or rest at entirely different levels. In your mind, you might have all of these ideas or projects that you _ d like to accomplish, articles you _ d like to write, jobs you _ d still like to hold. You are still an energetic person even though your body may not be energetic. It _ s difficult to merge the desire to do with a body that is unable to accomplish what the mind wants to direct.
You must always remember to get past the guilt that is sometimes associated with taking frequent rest periods during the day. The person who lives with chronic symptoms must constantly play the trade-off game. What can I cut today? What has to be done, and what can be shelved for a while? How can I save my energy? How can I reshuffle the responsibilities before me so that I can maintain my stamina? If you don _ t alter your life in significant ways by juggling, pacing, and simplifying activities, symptoms can become even more difficult to manage.
The Invisibility of Pain
Let _ s face it. Human nature, for the most part, is visually oriented. We believe what we see and often make character judgments based solely on visual perceptions. Society is simply not attuned to the needs of people with easily concealed disorders such as chronic pain. While many feel compelled to help someone with an obvious physical challenge, they may respond negatively when asked to help or provide special accommodations to someone who appears healthy and looks just fine.
But, what happens when the person who appears healthy, energetic, and just fine to family, friends, and coworkers, is quietly suffering with chronic pain? Often, they simply learn to play the part of being pain-free. _ Sometimes I think I should just go into acting, _ Shawna laughs. She lives with the painful symptoms of endometriosis and already feels like a seasoned actress. _ I should win an Oscar for some of the roles I _ ve had to play in trying to hide my pain and symptoms from others. _
Marilyn was brought up to do everything for herself. Independent by nature, she certainly does not like to admit that she needs help. _ I _ m sure I give the impression that I don _ t have a problem with pain, and that confuses people. On the one hand, I _ m saying _ I hurt and am tired, _ but if they look at me, they don _ t see the pain and fatigue. _
_ It _ s discouraging and demoralizing to be in pain every single day, _ says Peggy, who lives with the chronic symptoms of fibromyalgia, a condition characterized by widespread musculoskeletal pain. It is one of many heterogeneous illnesses, meaning that each person may experience the same disorder in a variety of ways. _ Sometimes I become overwhelmed with the pain. It wears me down and takes a lot of explaining because most people cannot relate to being in pain all of the time. _
Chronic pain is real. Yet it is sometimes difficult to talk to friends and family members about it. Not only do people want to be free of chronic pain, they do not want to feel like a burden. _ It _ s a large part of who I am. I just don _ t want to be pitied by my friends or be known as _ the suffering one _ to those I love or the people I work with, _ says Donna. _ Everyone becomes tired of hearing about how much I hurt, including myself! Some people think I am making it up or exaggerating my symptoms. But chronic pain is my reality. Even the medical community doesn _ t always take my pain seriously. _
Pain management seems to be at the vortex of incompatible agendas among government watchdogs, insurance companies, doctors, and patients. Fear of addiction is the key issue. Concerned that the patient will become addicted, doctors are sometimes hesitant to prescribe painkillers. However, individuals with chronic pain, or those who require significant pain management, rely on analgesics just as a diabetic depends on insulin. Erica, a mother of three, counts herself fortunate. _ I now have a good doctor who does not shy away from the issue of pain management. He prescribes the appropriate medication when needed and necessary. I go about my life, but when the disease acts up, I _ m not afraid to medicate and then move on. _
Some people who live with painful conditions feel the need to be stoical about their plight. They see their pain as a sign of weakness, or feel their character is being disparaged because of their suffering, and thus refuse to manage their symptoms with effective treatments. They deprive themselves of the relief that may allow them to regain a better quality of life.
Learning to Cope
Jill is just beginning to learn the intricate rules of the pacing game. It is terribly tempting for her to try to play catch-up when she happens to have a good hour or day. _ Sometimes I start to feel better, get excited, and feel that I should take advantage of feeling better. So I begin to get things done and end up doing too much. I've only just learned that instead of trying to get a lot done while feeling well, I need to temper that phase so that I don't _ crash. _ This is so obvious and yet so hard to do, because it is exciting to feel good. _
The struggle of pain and exhaustion is a daily concern. Fatigue is a part of many chronic conditions, and making a place for this unrelenting weariness becomes a way of life. After a while, it becomes impossible to remember what it is like not to feel exhausted. It is important to recognize that you may be able to perform some of your previous activities, but less frequently or for a shorter duration of time. People with chronic disorders can learn to work with their bodies and to recognize their limitations, but it often takes a bit of time and some trial and error.
People who live with concealed disorders talk in terms of good days and bad days. Performing one major task per day helps many people to manage their world, even if only in small bites. Deciding what is a priority and what can wait becomes a new and crucial skill. Pacing and juggling tasks and pleasurable activities become skills that optimize chances for a manageable life.
Families may have to find a new way of playing and having fun together when one member of the family becomes chronically ill. Old hobbies and recreational trips may make way for new and creative replacements. Playing board games rather than camping, for instance, can keep families connected and involved in each other _ s lives.
Delegating is a crucial survival skill to develop. This is often difficult especially if you link self-worth to tasks completed. For instance, if you live with chronic back pain or fibromyalgia, you may have difficulty asking the grocery store bagger to assist you to the car. Accustomed to being self-sufficient, many with pain may equate help with weakness and the loss of dignity. They desperately want to remain self-sufficient and resist surrendering to fatigue and pain. Others, however, may regard such a request as a way to reserve and restore some energy and preclude the most persistent pain. It _ s important to keep at the forefront of your mind that learning to accept help can actually be a favor to others. Accepting help from friends and family may be easier if you look at it in this way: You are helping them to cope.
You Are Not Your Pain
But what is chronic pain really like to live with? If you have not experienced it, it is difficult to describe such a steadfast companion. Albert Schweitzer once said, _ Pain is a more terrible lord of mankind than even death itself. _ Many who have lived with chronic pain would echo those sentiments; however, it is crucial to remember that, in the end, nothing can compromise your spirit. You are not your pain. You are not your illness.
Look at your physical state of health as the movement of the ocean. There will be mighty waves at times, but in other hours or future days, the tide will also recede, and there will be calm periods where you will find relief. The good news is that we have the capacity to make some issues foreground and some issues background in our lives. This is a choice that we can make all day long throughout our lives. What part of your illness can you put in the background, if only for a short while? Have a visit with someone you love. For that moment, you can welcome your joy to the foreground, even if only slightly. Keep inviting those inspiring, meaningful moments into your life. Most of the time, life is all about small and precious moments.
The goal is not necessarily to become well, but to learn to accept what life has handed us. It may not always be a welcome gift _ this one of chronic symptoms and unpredictable days _ but rather an opportunity to learn more about our inner strength and the importance of the people in our lives. It is also a chance to use the gifts within that would have otherwise sat dormant. Sometimes, learning to be compassionate with ourselves is a far more difficult assignment than caring for others. Fortuitously, chronic physical pain or symptoms often force us to care for and about ourselves in new and profound ways.
Hope for the Future
Learning to feel hopeful again is a vital stage towards acceptance of our condition and making peace with the pain. Today, there are more beneficial treatments and resources for chronic pain than ever before. Support groups for specific conditions meet regularly, both in person and online. Camaraderie and information are only a mouse click or telephone call away. Numerous organizations for particular illnesses and conditions, such as the National Pain Foundation, provide educational information to those with health challenges and to their family members. There is also a vast amount of research underway. Medical scientists and alternative health care professionals are learning to recognize, control, and, in some cases, prevent a host of chronic disorders. There are many reasons to feel hopeful if you shift your focus and maintain awareness that the future holds possibilities that cannot even be imagined today.
No one chooses to have a chronic illness or experience unyielding pain. When struck with a disability, people usually feel compelled to return to their former selves and rejoin previous routines. Almost primordial in nature, we intuitively ache for a bygone era when life was predictable and comfortable. To accept a new and limited way of functioning is not very appealing. Why should a person want to live happily in a body that is out of order? There are many who fight an illness or condition that seems resistant to interventions. Some become gifted at taking flight. They ignore and run from a chaotic set of symptoms that has shattered their habitual schedule. Despite the frustrations and various stages of grief, most people eventually move on and coexist in relative peace with their disorder. They learn to dance with the pain using new steps and discover what they can now do rather than think about what they used to do. Having lost the ability to kick up their heels, they learn to tap their toes to a new tune, perhaps a bit closer to the ground.
Carol Sveilich, M.A., is a group facilitator and counselor in San Diego, Calif. Her background includes conducting support groups for those with health challenges, serving as an academic counselor, and developing newsletters, columns and articles to assist and educate others with chronic health disorders. Called by many a _ support group in a book _ Sveilich _ s new book, Just Fine: Unmasking Concealed Chronic Illness and Pain, is available directly from the book website: www.writefaceforward.com. FREE COPING TIPS are available from the book site. For information e-mail: writefaceforward@yahoo.com
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BonBonshortnsweetFriday Feb. 04, 2005
Hi Again: Deb/Tx.....so sorry to hear about your friend, Renee. It surely can't be easy.....being there, for your friend & family, and trying to do the best you can, while struggling with your own illness. I am saying my prayers tonite, with an extra prayer for, "Renee". She obviously means a lot to you. Please pace yourself, and don't forget that you need to baby yourself too, in order to take care of someone else. Hugs.....BonBon
July, on Feb. 4
I don't have time this morning to read through all the posts (I'm saving you for tomorrow!) but CINDYSUE: If you're not taking anything, then Prozac or Paxil or Zoloft or something like it could be a BIG help! It will help with your QUALITY of sleep at night, let your body repair itself while you get deep sleep, and you'll feel better and have less pain. It also helps with that "overwhelmed" feeling, and in a few months, you feel better still. It sounds like you're doing an awful lot. Cut back and let those teenagers (the ones with all the ENERGY!) take up some of the slack. And whatever you do, keep coming back here! These people know their stuff! HUGS
Starr in WV 2/4/05
CINDYSUE-I'm fairly new here also but you will find this is a wonderful place to come, even if all you feel like doing is reading the posts. Everyone on here has been so informative and supportive.
DEB - I'm so sorry for what you and your friends and family are going through. I lost a very dear friend just about this time last year. I will keep all of you in my prayers.
BONBON - thank you so very much for that last article you just posted!!! I'm going through a rough time right now and it really spoke to me on several points. I'm trying to find a new doctor who will understand my need for the pain meds (my old doctor got sick and has not returned) but because of this fear of addiction it is very frustrating. Instead of listening to me and giving any credence to what I have to say, they want me to take seizure medication and antidepressants for the pain. I don't have a good history of those things working for me - I've always had a bad reaction. I lost a whole weekend in January from trying the seziure med. I haven't had enough nerve to take the Lexapro yet. I'm hurting today because I haven't taken any pain med. because I don't have much left. Yet I'm at work. Fortunately it is quiet here.
then I see the Today Show today about the Zoloft defense where that young man killed his grandparents - the doctor on the show was saying that the drug companies and doctors don't know enough about the side effects, especially in children and teens, but even in adults. He said many people have talked about feeling like they were outside the body, watching a movie and watching themselves do things they would not normally do. I can see that happening to me and it scares me. The weekend I lost - I ordered a book online that I had been wanting but I have no memory of ordering it. I was just about to order it again when I got it in the mail!!!
I think each of us has to reach a point where we accept that we have this dragon and we are going to have to deal with it on a daily basis and then we have to figure out what will work best for each of us and strive to get that - and that means we have to stop pretending sometimes that we are "normal". At least I know I have to do that. And believe me, if I can't use my pain med - my normal is going change drastically and it's going to affect everything and everyone on my life.
I hope everyone gets some sunshine this weekend. Hang in there.
Starr in WV 2/4/05
BonBon - thank you so much for directing me to this site. It is so great!!! All of you need to visit there and if nothing else read the patients letters. It is the National Foundation for the Treatment of Pain. For those of you in the Houston TX area, this is in your city. If I were anywhere close, I would definitely check it out. Please let me know what all of you think of this. I have printed off quite a bit of their information to (1) send to a few health care people I know and (2) carry with me. I may even write my legislators. Also I am ordering that book that you spoke about. thank you so very much.
http://www.paincare.org/
Marion ON Can. Feb04/05
CindySue: Keep on reading and posting. The people at this site have a lot of valuable information to give you and believe me you don't sound negative at all just tired. The fact that you are reaching out to others for information is a good thing. There are definitely a lot of doctors out there that just don't get it.
BonBon: I have read that article before about chronic pain and it really says it all. Don't you just love it when a well meaning person says "well you look just fine" or even worse "everybody gets tired"!
I am currently trying some chiropractor treatments and also accupunture. I think it is helping my neck, where the headaches start but I find holding the position still for several minutes for the accupunture very difficult.
Starr: I think you are right about throwing out more stuff. I need to get rid of a whole lot of clutter.
carrie
YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE? I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY EITHER YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO FEEL THAT WAY OR PEOPLE SAY WAIT TILL YOU GET MY AGE. IT SUCKS GETTING OLD. I'm like, i already probably hurt worse then you. People assume cause i'm young, 27, that i have no pain. Sometimes i say, you don't know what i go through. sometimes i just ignore them, cause i know deep down inside.Just had to add that. i don't post much. i like to read alot.
Starr in WV 2/4/05
CARRIE - I have been saying for a great many years now - if I live to be old, I will be really good at it because I've had a lot of practice!!
I am very fortunate to belong to a couple of great groups of women at my church and from time to time they ask me to do a program. I have taken advantage of that to educate them in fibromyalgia. Since many of them are older, I have started out by saying do you ever ache all over, do you have trouble remembering things, opening a jar, etc. etc. I ask if they have ever had the flu - most people have. If they have ever had a sore muscle - most people have. If they have any arthritis - most middle age and older people have - and then I ask them how they would like to have all that everyday without ceasing and be only 20 or 30 or 40 or even 50 years old? that really gets people's attention sometime.
i think we need to compaign more for the media and Hollywood and TV to feature more real people dealing with real problems instead of the Hilton sisters. I think we need to encourage Oprah and Dr. Phil and some others to keep these types of illnesses in the forefront. this dragon is crippling and we have a right to be heard. bless you.
BonBonshortnsweetFriday Feb. 04, 2005
Hi All:
I think I have finally recovered from my lost sleep......well, maybe a little. I did, however, wake up with swollen glands this morning & a migraine. Can't win with this monster, can we?
ROBBI: Just wanted to let you know, that the only reason I am receiving a good amount of acupuncture, is because I am on a decent health plan. My husband works for the government, (L.I.Railroad), so for now I go and keep up with it. It is a great team of 2 doctors, (1 pain specialist, & 1 family Dr), the others are, (3 Chiropractors), and 2 Physical Therapists, & 1 acupuncturist. Anyway.....I have been going for about 2 1/2 years....maybe a bit more, and they make me feel great. They treat me with sheer kindness and the utmost of respect, & guide me through most of my most painful, & terribly down days. For that, I am blessed. But, for anyone that might want to investigate, if they have insurance, check the back of your cards, there is usually a phone # that you can call for patient info., & they can usually direct you, as to whether your plan covers any other type of medical that is out of the norm....of MD/Dr's. Good luck ROBBI, Hope you can still utilize those other options. Sounds like it helped you, too!
STAR: So glad I can be of help to you, I have known about this site for a while, and I like it. I really thought it might be able to help some of our friends on this nice, friendly site. You have all been so wonderful in welcoming me. Thanks.....P.S. I saw another, new Pulmonary Doc, recently, & want to stick with him. Since I already had the sleep test taken, all they did, yesterday, was check my arms for allergies, he wanted to see what I was allergic to, and said that the Beta Blocker I was on was possibly making me get more headaches, & causing allergies, which is what made more migraines. He cut the dose in half....& said to continue with that for about 3 days....then I have to take another pill,(Carditen) which he said will help me, but won't cause any other side affects. He also gave me an allergy shot (Prednizone), which he also gave me an RX for also. The girl that gave me the allergy test, (blood pressure), and pulse, and heart ratel, finally came back in and said I was allergic to everything on the list. Wow.....I knew I had allergies, sinus, miafacial problems with it, TMJ syndrome, and exzema from my few allergies I thought I had, but this is ridiculous!! Anyway, the therapist they work with, (was actually a good friend of my Acupuncturist, whom gave me the referral), is very thorough, as well as this new Doc, and guess what? They both share the same last name, Dr. Gill, and the therapist is, Tim Gill, also a terrific person. Anyway.....I am finally off to a great start. Tim is order the CPAP, for those that don't know what that stands for, it means: continuous, positive, airway, pressure. The Dr. also stated to me that it should really help cut back my migraines, most or all. I should be able to finally lose some weight, and excersize with a bit more ease, since I won't be waking up all night. The company that Tim works for, ordered me a new lightweight one, that has a foam like piece that goes into the end of nostril, and the mask is set slightly apart from the nose, so it is less cumbersome on your face. I am really looking forward to this. Maybe it will help with a lot of my disorders. They also gave me a test, that checks how your blood oxygen is, (had to blow into a tube). I am coming back for 2 more tests, one I think is a heart dopler, the other is a stress/treadmill test. Well......I feel like I wrote a book here, must get dinner together right now, Gentle Hugs! and have a terrific weekend everyone. I may not get to post until next week. & Welcome all you newbies. Enjoy...this is a wonderful site.
Katielady 2/4/05
Hi Everyone-Goodness so much to read! Lots of good information, thanks for the article Bonbon, it described so much of how I feel most days and with dealing with others. Starr- I understand your reluctance to use the Lexapro. I am currently taking that with no problems. However, I did have a bad reaction to Wellbutrin and Cymbalta. I found that I knew pretty quickly if the meds weren't working and I called the dr. ASAP and said get me off NOW! I think we have to go through a lot of trial and error with a lot of our meds. Also, there is a campaign to send letters on May 1, 2005 to major media outlets for us folks who have FM and CFS. I believe if you go to www.immunesupport.com they have a link for that. CindySue- you have found a great site here. Keep posting and you will get tons of support. Deb/TX, you are a wonderful friend. I will keep your friend in my prayers and you too! I hope she has a break through soon. Hugs to everyone....
BarbJ 2/4/05
Hi Everyone!Just reread messages from Jan.15 archives because I couldn't remember what I'd read--nor could I remember this website because of fibro fog.
I, too, have creaky joints--my family joked about it when I was little. Also have the moons on my thumbnails, and they're very pronounced.
We finally got some snow in CO HURRAH!
We are in the 7th year of drought and need all the moisture we can get. You people in the Northeast--send us some snow! or sleet! or rain! Anything! You'd think the moisture would set off a flare, but the dryness does me in because all the dust sets off my Sjogrens and have been battling sinus problems for months. No pain killer has helped my pain. Only massage helps
Linda/TX Feb. 5, 05
For those of use who remember Nurse Linda/KY...I wanted to let you know that she passed away last night...her valiant battle with Breast Cancer is over her husband said. She was a good friend and a lovely lady, I am sorry. Linda/TX
July on Feb. 5
Good Afternoon, wonderful people. BONBON, I appreciate that article. I'm going to print it out and read it to people! Very insightful and inspiring. STARR, I've discovered the BEST way to pare down: Move every couple of years! Every time, I get rid of more stuff! Now I just keep everything to a minimum because I know it's only a matter of time before I move again. I will visit some of these sites this afteroon. Time to get "edjamacated," before I meet the new doc on Wednesay. I'm hopeful yet dreading it. It's so hard to convince someone in 10 minutes that you're in serious need of help and yet not come off as hyper and crazy! I call it "emergency room syndrome." STAT! I'm super not sleeping on just the melatonin, and I hope he'll give me something affordable.
Sorry to hear about the woes of our members on top of living with Fibro. It's not fair. And breast cancer too? I can't imagine, and I hope Nurse Linda is dancing in the clouds, pain free.
I've been meaning to ask about tinnitus. Is ringing in the ears common to fibro? It's getting louder, 2 constant and distinct tones, and I have trouble hearing on the phone. I'm too young to be this old! And creaky as heck to boot.
We've got sun today; doors and windows are open. Haven't heard from Linda/TX in a while; I think she's having fun with her new class. Isn't that great? HUGS to all.
Kay 2/5
LINDA/TX - I'm so sorry to hear about your dear friend Nurse Linda/KY. Even though she is in a much better place and PAIN-FREE at last, the loss is sad for those that love her left behind. You and her family are in my thoughts and prayers.
DEB/TX - I am sorry to hear about your dear friend Renee as well. My thoughts and prayers will be with you and Renee and her family also. I really hope she makes a full recovery soon. Also, I hope that your fibro doesn't flare going through this.
Linda/TX Feb. 6, 05
Hello Everyone....thank you for the nice notes on behalf of my friend Linda/Ky...she was a dear sweet lady and I miss her already.
Can you imagine..PAIN FREE ??? It just sound SO good...I know she is smiling from ear to ear right now. She had a rough time of it near the end I understand...I personally am VERY happy for her.
Yes, I have been working on my PhotoShop lessons faithfully...wow..I am loving this course...but it is really testing my patience and FIBRO brain...so much to learn...and REMEMBER...that's the trick. I have to look up everything all over again when I open this computer each morning...but that's OK..I'm retired..I can take the time to do that.
Bob is nearing the end of his "bug"..still coughing some..but feeling OK otherwise.
Hope you all enjoyed the SUPER BOWL... we however, did not watch it except for the last 30 seconds.. New England won. Good for them !!
I have seen several of you thanking BonBon I think... for a website that she lead you to...which one is it..I can't find where it was posted...has nothing to do with the fact that I am about to fall asleep here at the compter AGAIN...I have done that a couple of times lately. I would love to know.
Thank you, Linda/TX
Angie 02/09/2005
Greetings to all,
I Just found the wall tonight for the first time. I was told I had FM 6 years ago. I had so much trouble with meds I finally gave up and stopped taking anything but over the counter. *Smiles* I Live with this as you all do. The reason I found this wall was I was looking up yet another drug the doctors put me on. One of many that make my stomach hurt. Is there hope? I work full time and do not really have allot of support, mostly because my husband doesn't understand. The back surgeries he understand. But not FM. How do ya'll cope? I find it hard on cold rainy days just to get out of bed. I do, but the price is high.
Well...Another FM in Texas
Angie
connie /pity 02/06/2005
hi my name is connie, i need feed back, 2 years ago i had 3 cervical fusions c3c4c5 with hardware and donor bone, my pain is worst, both arms and hands numb and tingling 24/7, constant dull ache in left arm muscle area 24/7, both legs and feet numb and tingling 24/7, legs heavy when walking, leg left gives out in pelvic area, last visit to doctor shows bone spurs, you can pinch my face hard and i don't feel it, i do maid work 14 suites 5 days a week my pain is 24/7 tried to apply for disability, a lot of red tape, i decided no more doctors no more pain meds, trying to do this on my own, mind over matter, reading, movies etc.......... what should i do? or not do? very confused, some say symptoms mimick (ms), some say (arthorisis), some say compression, after 3 fusions will i ever return to normal, then there is talk of dominio effect, what avenue is the right road to relief! only serious reply, please no bull, please email: biggirllittlegirl@earthlink.net thanks connieconnie
connie /pity 02/06/2005
hi my name is connie, i need feed back, 2 years ago i had 3 cervical fusions c3c4c5 with hardware and donor bone, my pain is worst, both arms and hands numb and tingling 24/7, constant dull ache in left arm muscle area 24/7, both legs and feet numb and tingling 24/7, legs heavy when walking, leg left gives out in pelvic area, last visit to doctor shows bone spurs, you can pinch my face hard and i don't feel it, i do maid work 14 suites 5 days a week my pain is 24/7 tried to apply for disability, a lot of red tape, i decided no more doctors no more pain meds, trying to do this on my own, mind over matter, reading, movies etc.......... what should i do? or not do? very confused, some say symptoms mimick (ms), some say (arthorisis), some say compression, after 3 fusions will i ever return to normal, then there is talk of dominio effect, what avenue is the right road to relief! only serious reply, please no bull, please email: biggirllittlegirl@earthlink.net thanks connieconnie
July, on Feb. 7
LINDA/TX, I'm glad it's not just me. I loved BonBon's post but couldn't find a "link" either! I want to go there too. CONNIE, I can't begin to offer help on your situation, but I'm sure there are those here who can. ANGIE, keep hanging out here and you will find much-needed help and support. Just a few posts up, STARR helps people understand by comparing this to a 24/7 flu. Maybe your husband could contemplate that?? We're floating on air at my house! Darrell has been trying to find his 9 year old son for 2 and 1/2 years, and yesterday we got to spend several hours with him, just out of the blue! He's going to start coming every other weekend. I need quick advice on how to become a mom!! lol. Happy Monday, everybody. Wishing wellness for all of us. HUGS
Kay 2/7
Website for BonBon's article:
www.painconnection.org/MyEducation/MyEducation_WhySeeingIsNotAlwaysBelieving.asp
Thank you BonBon.
BonBonshortnsweetMonday, Feb 7, 2005
Hi All: So glad you were able to read and relate to my recent article. I have another one. It is on the research of a growth hormone factor. I found this quite interesting. I think it could be true for many of us. Take care all, and have a great day. BonBon Original page:
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/16/1673_50938.htm
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This article is from the WebMD
Medical News Archive
Fibromyalgia: A Growth-Hormone Defect?
By Daniel DeNoon
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD
May 3, 2002 -- A new study points to a possible growth-hormone defect in women with fibromyalgia. Researchers are suggesting that a drug currently used to treat a nerve and muscle disorder might be helpful for fibromyalgia.
The finding comes from a report by Robert M. Bennett, MD, and colleagues at the Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland, in the May issue of the journal Arthritis & Rheumatism.
FM appears to be a complex illness in which the body's normal means of regulating stress and pain gets out of whack. One of the hormones involved is called growth hormone.
Bennett's team put 20 women with fibromyalgia and 10 normal women through physical stress by having them run on a treadmill until they were exhausted. They found that growth-hormone levels went up in the healthy women, but not in the women with fibromyalgia.
What caused this growth-hormone defect? The researchers guessed that it might be too much of another hormone -- somatostatin -- which blocks growth hormone. They did the test again, only this time the women with fibromyalgia exercised after taking a drug that blocks somatostatin. This time, their growth hormone levels went up just like those of the healthy women.
The drug, Mestinon, currently is used to treat myasthenia gravis, an autoimmune disease in which people suffer attacks of muscle weakness. Bennett and co-workers suggest that it should be studied as a possible treatment for fibromyalgia.
Other researchers have tested fibromyalgia patients for growth hormone defects. But a common test for growth-hormone defect -- measurement of blood levels of a substance called IGF-1 -- seems not to work for many fibromyalgia patients. Indeed, many of the fibromyalgia patients with growth-hormone defects in the Bennett study had normal IGF-1 levels. The researchers therefore recommend different tests should be used in fibromyalgia patients.
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Richard... Tucson
Good Morning everyone: I relly enjoy this wall, wish I had more time & energy.
Today is going to be very busy for my family and I. so I'll have to be real brief.
I recently saw my Doctor, I told him the Prozac he has had me on for the past year, has too many side effects,
including sexual disfunction, diaria, excitability and I think more fatigue.
Doesn't seem to help Depression.
He told me to stop taking it, and he wrote me a script for Generic Wellbutrin.
I was going to give it a try but my insurance won't cover it, I have SecureHorizons Pacificare, this med is apperently not listed in there Generic formulary.
I need to ask my doc for altenate med I don't Know wich to ask for.
Thank you all for being here. Take Care Gentle Hugs Richard
BonBonshortnsweetMonday, Feb 7, 2005
Hi Richard: I'm not sure if this will help you, but here are a few that are similar to Prozac, and may not have the same side effects. 1. Wellbutrin, (I was on this one), Celexa, (was on this), Zoloft, (was on this), Effexor XL, (was on this), Paxil, (was not on this). I think some of these, may be similar to Prozac, but you have to discuss with your doc. Everyone is different, and sometimes medications are changed for different reasons. My reasons were either, not helping, or putting excessive weight on, or now I am on a totally new medication. It is called Cymbalta, and was given to me for, depression, panic disorder, and (pain - Fibro), which so far hasn't given me any other unrelated problems. It is a fairly new one, so your doc, may not know about it. Richard, I think it is all a trial and error type of predisposition, we must put up with. Good luck.....& have a nice day with your family. BonBon
Starr in WV 2/7/05
Hi everybody - at least the sun is shining here for the time-being.
KATIE - you said you were taking Lexapro - may I ask why? My sleep specialist wants me to take it because he says it will make me jittery, help me to stay awake during the day - not for depressions. A PA told me they sometimes give it for pain?? My sleep doctor said it would also make me cranky for a few weeks before I adjusted to it (like I'm not cranky enough, right LOL) My past experience with any antidepressant med is that it makes me so sleep that I'm literally out of it for 2-3 days right after I take that first dose.
BONBON - can you let me know the manufacturer of your sleep mask. Mine is from RES MED but this sounds like something I might like - my complaint with mine is that it sometimes get too hot. Also, I have had the blood oxygen tests but instead of a treadmill stress test which they thought would be too hard for me they gave me a six minute walking test (the nurse and I walked up and down the hallway at the office) and they had a monitoring devise on me. I tried to take a treadmill stress test a few years ago and couldn't complete it so they offered to give me the "chemical" stress test and I said no. I still don't sleep all the way through the night (although the skelaxin is helping) but I sleep in longer blocks of time most of the time and I know my quality of sleep is much better. I think if it weren't for my sciatic pain I would sleep longer. I really do think you'll do better on the cpap. Once I trained myself to relax, I find myself now relaxing when I put it on because I know that I don't have to strain to breathe.
I think that article about the grown hormone sounds interesting. I'm going to send it to my neurologist.
Everyone have a good day. Wish me luck on my quest for a new GP.
Judith Feb. 07 2005
Feb. 7 --Hello. I have neither posted nor read for a number of weeks. I have, however, had a very good experience which I want to share, in case it will help someone. I was having terrible insomnia, not sleeping until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, night (or day?) after night. I remembered going through this the previous December, and checked my journals for several years. I discovered that although I had insomnia at other times of the year, it was worst in Dec.-Feb. I did research and learned that although sleeping too much is usual for those with Seasonal Affective Disorder (probably part of fibro? everything else seems to be), some persons also experience insomnia during the short sunlight, gray days of winter in the North. I live in the upper Midwest. I began light therapy by looking at the gray sky for 30 minutes a day for a few days. I began to sleep better. When we had a sunny day, I read in a sunny window, with sunlight on the page, for 30 minutes. I slept better and better, so I researched therapy lights and ordered a 55 W. desk lamp which gives 10,000 lumens of light. I used it for 20 minutes, the first day and was rather lightheaded, all day, so I cut back to 5 minutes a day, working up to 15 minutes. I slept more and more and better and better. I awakened once in the night, later and later, until I now sleep 6 1/2 hours, awaken, then sleep another hour! I am truly thankful. I also suspect that the reason I sometimes have insomnia in spring, summer, and fall is because I close the curtains to keep sun from fading furniture--no more that!-- and I wear wraparound sunglasses all the time, outdoors. From now on, I will either use my lamp or go without sunglasses for 30 min. a day. I am eager to see how that works in the sunnier times of the year! I hope this helps someone.
Barb(Pa) 2/7/05
Hi FMily, Home at last :) I just read about Linda/Ky and I am so saddened.She was such a sweet lady. My prayers will be for her family and close friends as they cope with their great loss.My last run was very successful but long. Husband got motel rooms for several nights with hot tubs and I kicked back and relaxed every chance I got. Welcome newbies,glad you found us,but sorry you needed to. I will read all the posts later and post again. Gentle hugs
Richard in Tucson.......
BonBon: Thank you very much for your contribution about your recomendation of Cymbalta.
aswell as the article about Growth-Hormone Defect.
I have had a former education about Growth-Hormone, by a Naturopathic Doctor I saw several years ago,
he gave me this option of treatment,
very costly at the time.
Still thank You again, gentle hugs. Richard
Alice, 02/07/2005
Alice, ND, Feb 7
It's been quite a while since I've been here but felt I needed to get
back. Read a few postings. The fibro has been bad the last while; it
has been so cold here, down to -30 a while back. So I stayed in for
about a week and got my office sort of straightened around to where
I can actually work in it. My doctor put me on a regimine of stretching
every morning and night. I also have gone back to using the weight
machines at the wellness center along with the walking. And I am
actually losing a few pounds, not quite as fast as I would like. I
hope by spring I will be feeling a lot better. Hubby is beginning to fail
more and getting out less. The little canary he got for me a year ago
Christmas is a lot of company for him and he loves that little bird
so much. We go along, enjoying each days as much as he can and do the
activities that we can handle.
Hugs to all, will get on here again and read more, right now my chair is
calling loudly.
BonBonshortnsweet Tuesday 08, 2005
Good Morning to All: Richard, your welcome on the Cymbalta......let me know, what the results are, o.k.? As far as the Growth-Hormone Defect article, I thought it might be interesting, but you are right, almost all of these different procedures are so expensive. I was just put on prednizone for a lot of allergies......given by my sleep specialist, (pulmonary Doc), and after taking only about 4 days I feel that I am less bloated, and I have energy. I think that this pill may have something to do with a Hormone deficiency, it is amazing how I feel. I also seem to have less pain, think I am going to have to investigate this. Talk again.....
Hello Star, also wanted to let you know about the sleep manufacturer. I haven't received the CPAP yet, but the therapist that sets this up, is coming to my house this thursday. For 2 hours.....he is supposed to show me exactly how to use this machine. The machine that is being offered to me is called a CPAP 7 W/Heated Humidifier-Fisher Paquel Comfort Lit Mask. He is also, apparently, bringing another one, one that was similar to the sleep study used on me. If for some reason this one doesn't suit me, he will let me take the other one, but I have to decide while he is here, because, once I decide......I have to stick with it for a while, until or unless there are any problems with it. Wow.....so much with this Fibro.....!! I hope this sleep apparatus helps me. It may make a big difference according to some of the medical community, here in New York.
Well......hope the sun picks out later, hugs......BonBon
BonBonshortnsweet Tuesday 08, 2005
oops.....I mean, peaks out!!! BonBon
BonBonshortnsweet Tuesday 08, 2005
Darn.....peeks....peeks....peeks!!!!Think I have a bit of fibro-fog, this morning.
Katielady 2/8/05
Good morning FM'ily- Starr- sorry it has taken so long to respond to your question on Lexapro. I have taken that for a couple of years. I did take a brief time off and tried Cymbalta. I had a great honeymoon period with that but it ended up not being for me. It is my understanding as a general rule of thumb that most Fibro folks or pain people are on an anti-depressant of some sort. It raises the serontonin in your brain, the "feel good stuff". I would say that it helps my mood overall and does help some with sleep. My husband has started it (about 8 weeks ago) and I think it has done wonders for him. He is a pain person too. A broken back with 3 failed back surgeries. He said it has improved his "get up and go". I think if you do decide to take it follow your body's lead. You will know if it's not for you. I nor my husband have ever experienced any "crankiness" with it initially. I have also taken Paxil and that was ok, but Lexapro works better for me. It does take a few weeks for it to really kick in. I think by weeks 6-8 you would know if it is for you or not. Please feel free to email me if I can answer any more questions you may have. Good luck! Hugs to Everyone!
July, on Feb. 8
Oh, BonBon, thanks for the laugh! It's funny because I do it all the time. RICHARD, Paxil was my favorite. I got so much better so fast on that! Doxepin too, which is a tricyclic with antihistimines, if you can tolerate them. I slept the best ever on that. I know sleep is the key for me. And JUDITH, that does it! My bathroom as 3 bulbs over the mirror. I'm going to get full-spectrum bulbs for them. Between hair and makeup, I spend at least 30 minutes there every morning. The sleep doc who diagnosed me told me sunlight was the solution to sleep. Gives your brain more serotonin to convert into melatonin (which I take) at night. It's sure worth a try. Thanks, everyone. (I'm so sleepy today!)HUGS
Richard in Tucson.......2/8/05
Good morning everyone: I just wanted to share this wonderful message, that I found online, called (Father's Love Letter)
I hope you all get the same feeling as I did when you read it.
To me It says volumes of support and compassion.
Ideal for anyone in chronic pain both physical and mental.
I found it at the fallowing link.
http://www.fathersloveletter.com/flltextenglish.html
let me know if you have touble with opening it, there are two basic formats. Text Narated & poster.
There is also a format in which you see many beautiful pictures, with the message.
I only wish the best for you all. this is to me the best contribution I could share with you.
Thank you for being in my life...... Richard.......


Judith Feb. 8 2005
JULY: I hope the full spectrum light bulbs help, but those that would fit in an ordinary household light socket are not really light therapy lamps. I bought one of the full spectrum lights for my reading lamp, and it didn't do the job. The lights for therapy are for that purpose. The one in my lamps is made of four parallel tubes. It filters out the harmful UV rays. I have a full spectrum lamp for sewing, and it does not to the therapy, either.
I am also more cheerful and less depressed with the therapy. I still crave sugar, though, so I will keep upping the light time. I am back at 20 min., now, with no light headedness.
Starr in WV 2/8/05
BonBon - thanks for your info about the mask. I have one that just fits over my nose but I don't seem to do as well as the one that covers both my nose and mouth.
My boss had full spectrum bulbs put in her overhead lights at the office last year - she bought them at Lowe's I think - to replace the florescent bulbs. Plus she has the lamp at home. I think she got it at JoAnn Fabrics for about $60 on sale but I saw one in Walmart this year for $30 - it is natural light instead of artifical light???? I didn't realize this could help with sleep so thank you, I'm going to investigate this more. I bought my husband a blub for his lamp but now I'm not sure what it is - he has SAD and is miserable in the winter.
I had a talk with a doctor last night about the Lexapro - he explained it a little better than the other guy, plus I had read some online so I decided to try it. He said if I was really nervous, start with just 5mg and move up to the 10 in a few days so I took the 5mg this morning and so far no extremely drowsiness, which i was very afraid of since that had been my past experience. Also, he said he hadn't heard anything from his other patients on it about being cranky. I did read online about it being an SSRI instead of tricyclic.
Don't you just love the way we all throw this medical terms around? Don't we sound impressive??
Hope everyone's having a good day.
Judith Feb. 9 2005
Light therapy: There are some misconceptions about light therapy that need to be cleared up. Full spectrum light bulbs and lamps give true color to light, but they are NOT light therapy for Seasonal Affective Disorder. As one source I read stated, "Any bulb that can be purchased in a hardware or home supply store is not a therapy bulb." I do hope no one has wasted money on such bulbs for therapy. They are good for seeing by, but are not therapy. A therapy lamp has to be 55 Watt and give forth 10,000 lumens of light. The light boxes or sun boxes sold for therapy meet these requirements. I found a desk lamp for less than half the price of a light box that is still a therapy lamp because it meets the above criteria. It is made by a company that sells light boxes, light visors, etc. If you want to find the right product, do an internet search. Again, the true color or full spectrum lights are not therapy lamps, though they do have their place. I used a full spectrum lamp for needlework, but it was not a therapy lamp. Nevertheless, it gives good light for close work. My new light therapy lamp can be dimmed. I use it on full for therapy, but it can be dimmed to gradual changes, for reading, computer work, needlework, etc., so it is very versatile. I hope I am making this more clear, rather than more confusing. I also know this won't help everyone. It is working for me, so far, and I really like to read about what is working for others, so I wanted to share this.
Judith Feb. 08, 2005
LIGHT THERAPY-There seem to be misconceptions about light therapy. Full spectrum bulbs are not light therapy bulbs. As one source stated "If a bulb can be purchased in a hardware or home improvement store, it is not a therapy bulb." Therapy lights have to be 55 W and give forth 10,000 lumens of light. I have a full spectrum bulb in a reading lamp, but it is not a therapy bulb. I have a "true" color lamp for needlework, which gives good light for such work, but it is not a therapy lamp. Neither works for therapy. I have tried them. To find therapy lamps, go on the internet and search. I purchased mine, after much research and a phone call, to a firm recommended in a national magazine oriented to arthritis, lupus, and fibro. The sun boxes or light boxes are sold by the same companies. I opted for a desk lamp that meets the above criteria, 55 W., 10,000 lumens. It is half the price of a light box, but works for me. It must be used at the highest, 10.000 lumen level for therapy, but can be gradually dimmed to a level or reading, computer work, or needelwork. Please note the requirements, because the other lights, nice as they are for their ppurposes, are not therapy lamps and cannot be sold as such. I know this may not work for everyone, but it worked for me. I appreciate hearing what works for others, so I am sharing my success. Fibro is a very personal and individual combination of syndromes, so what works for one won't work for another. I also feel more cheerful with the light therapy, by the way. Good luck!
Judith Februrary 8, 2005
Sorry for the errors. The double posting was due to a computer glitch. My computer went off line and I didn't realize the message had gone. The wrong date was due to my error. Whoever said computers and fibro folk were perfect?
BonBonshortnsweet Tuesday 08, 2005
To All: I just wanted everyone to know about an important message that was sent to me, by, Dominie Bush, actually, Pattie Caprio, (FOUNDER OF THE FMS/CFIDS MILLION LETTER CAMPAIGN AT www.fms-help.com.) I feel it is quite necessary to get out as many letters as possible if you desire. It is a great opportunity, as you will see, that all of our voices be heard. Thanks for reading. BonBon
C="sm-shout.gif" height=15 width=15 border=0>Caprio, Founder of the FMS/CFIDS MILLION LETTER CAMPAIGN at http://www.fms-help.com/letter.htm--
Can you help us during these last 12 weeks of the MILLION LETTER CAMPAIGN? We are working towards a goal of one million letters from Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers to be mailed on May 1, 2005. We hope to gain national attention and awareness for these illnesses.
We need help verifying addresses and phone numbers. We need people who have an "unlimited calling" plan. We also have jobs requiring computer skills. If you can help, please email Rebecca gunn11@charter.net for a job description!
30 volunteers have worked on the campaign thus far, but we need more helpers as we approach the 11th hour! This is not meant to be a pressure cooker. We work around flare-ups and family problems. We try to pair up partners to make the work load light. Any receipts you save and turn in for flyers, stamps etc. will be reimbursed.
You can visit the Million Letter Campaign workers' site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/million_letter_campaign before making your decision. But please hurry!!! There is so much to be done and so little time left. We need "all hands on deck" to make this campaign a success for all of us!
Pattie Caprio
MLC Founder
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BonBonshortnsweet Tuesday 08, 2005
This may help to understand what I just posted. Thanks, BonBon
Dear FMS/CFIDS Sufferers,
Have you ever noticed the blank stares you get when you tell people you have Fibromyalgia? They always say, "What's that?!" or "You don't LOOK sick!" If you say you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, they say, "Well, I get tired too!!" If you say you have Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (M.E.), few people would know what you are talking about! (M.E. is used in most parts of the world except the United States.)
Would you say that "Fibromyalgia Awareness" is lacking in our society??! The GOOD NEWS is that we can have a MAJOR IMPACT on the media and the world BEFORE the next Fibromyalgia Awareness Day (also International ME/CFS Awareness Day) on May 12, 2005!
However, we must get the word out NOW so we will be READY TO ROLL with our "plan" on MAY 1, 2005!
I am VERY excited about an idea that a newsletter reader has come up with to increase awareness of FMS/CFIDS. I am giving my full support to this effort, because I can't think of a better idea--and I will be posting information on my website at http://www.fms-help.com to keep everyone informed!
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Below is the email I received from Pattie:
"I am trying to get national recognition for the pain sufferers of FMS/CFIDS. We need patients who are willing to write about their experience with this disorder. We plan on having a MASS mailing to go to the White House (First Lady), ABC News (20/20), Montel Williams (who has M.S.), 60 Minutes (Mike Wallace has had CFIDS), and FOX NEWS
on MAY 1, 2005.
We are hoping that a MILLION letters will be sent! Those who want to participate need to write only one letter and just change the address at the top to go to each of the recipients.
The laws are way too tough for people to win their disability cases, because FMS/CFIDS is an invisible disease. In only 3 days I have received 400 emails from sufferers of the FMS/CFIDS disorder who are enthusiastic about this idea. It should not cost more than $1.85 (USA) to mail these letters for each patient. We may even get this aired on television!
In order to win my SSD, I had to write letters to my Congressman, State Senator and State Representative, plus I had to get a lawyer to help me with my case. For most lawsuits, I am told, by many responders to my email, that there is no clinical proof that trauma can cause FMS! This is not so much about me. This is about millions of sick people forced to go through the barbed wire fence to get some help. Some people never get help from lazy lawyers who think these are nuisance cases!
What I need from you is to post this message on newsgroup bulletin boards, write to fibromyalgia websites and talk to other FMS/CFIDS sufferers and doctors about this mass mailing. It would cost them just a little time for their story of how they became ill--or for a doctor to offer clinical evidence of this illness.
Letters need to be ONE PAGE ONLY. We all need to send the letters out ON THE SAME DAY as everyone else so that this gets noticed. The date we are aiming for is MAY 1, 2005, so that the letters are received at the same time and just prior to Fibromyalgia Awareness Day (International ME/CFS Awareness Day) on May 12, 2005. The more letters that are sent, the better the chance will be for all of us."
Best Regards,
Pattie Caprio
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This is Dominie again....
If all victims of FMS/CFIDS/ME (and their family members and friends) will mail their letters on MAY 1, 2005, we will speak as ONE VOICE and hopefully capture national attention for this illness. This will be much more effective than anything else we can do as individuals!
Your ONE PAGE letter should contain the following:
1. YOUR NAME
2. LOCATION (City, State and/or Country)
3. OCCUPATION or achievements prior to FMS/CFIDS
4. DATE OF ONSET of your FMS/CFIDS (and what you think caused it)
5. SYMPTOMS you suffer from
6. HOW this illness has affected your career, finances, relationships, family, etc. (be sure to mention any LOSSES you have experienced)
7. WHAT you are asking for: e.g., recognition of this illness, for doctors and lawyers to take FMS/CFIDS seriously for disability cases, for understanding from family and friends, for money to be spent on research for a cure, for media coverage, or whatever else comes to mind.
(Most of us could write a book about our illness, but please limit your letter to one page.)
1. THE FIRST LADY, WHITE HOUSE
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20500
2. Story Editor
20/20, ABC NEWS
147 Columbus Ave., 10th Floor
New York, NY 10023
3. FOX NEWS
5151 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20016
4. Story Editor
60 MINUTES, CBS NEWS
524 West 57th St.
New York, NY 10019
5. Senior Supervising Producer
MONTEL WILLIAMS
433 West 53rd St.
New York, NY 10019
CANADIANS: Please use the following address instead of the White House (#1 above): CANADA PENSION PLANS, HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT CANADA, DISABILITY DEPARTMENT, P.O. Box 2710, MAIN STATION, EDMONTON, ALBERTA,CANADA,T5J 4C2
In ADDITION to the 5 MAIN recipients listed above, other suggested addresses are:
Dr. Phil Show
5482 Wilshire Blvd., #1902
Los Angeles, CA 90036
Barbara Walters
23852 Pacific Coast Hwy., Suite 401
Malibu, CA 90265
Annie's Mailbox
P.O. Box 118190
Chicago, IL 60611
The Tony Danza Show
Attn: Human Interest Stories
Ansonia Station
P.O. Box 230767
New York, NY 10023-0013
Also, you can write your Congressman by visiting:
http://www.arthritis.org/advocacy/priorities/priorities_contact.asp
Oprah Winfrey is not included in this list, because she no longer accepts unsolicited input for her shows.
We don't want to DILUTE the QUANTITY of our letters to the MAIN recipients, so if you can only send 5 letters, please send them to the 5 MAIN addresses only (numbered above).
We are asking FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS of those with FMS/CFIDS/ME to write letters telling how this illness has affected that person's life--the difficulties this chronic invisible illness poses for normal living--how they have been treated by doctors, employers, media, insurance companies and disability attorneys--the misunderstanding of family, friends, etc. This will maximize the number of letters that go out on May 1, 2005. It is something that family and friends can do to HELP the person they care about. It just takes a little time, 5 stamps and 5 envelopes. (If you have a friend or loved one who wants to write a letter, consider providing them with the stamped, addressed envelopes, so they will be ready to mail on May 1.)
Please use a return address on the envelope but do NOT put any indication of what the letter is about on the envelope, or it may be discarded. We want all the letters to be opened.
We are aware that our target date of May 1 is a Sunday, but it was easier to remember than April 30 or May 2.
We need to build enthusiasm and momentum in the fibromyalgia community between now and MAY 1, 2005! Please tell fibromyalgia support groups, friends with FMS/CFIDS, and even doctors who have experience with FMS/CFIDS patients and understand this condition. Forward this information to people in your email address book or post it on fibromyalgia newsgroups. We need to get the word out!
I don't know of a better way to accomplish our goal of FMS/CFIDS Awareness! It will take just a little effort from each of us in telling our own unique FMS/CFIDS story in "one page" form and sending it to people who have power and influence in our society. Remember, we are doing this not just for ourselves, but for millions of sufferers worldwide.
Dominie Bush
dom@fms-help.com
P.S. Million Letter Campaign T-Shirts and Sweatshirts are available! See http://www.fms-help.com/tshirts.htm. These are great for individuals or support groups! Pattie designed the logo which appears on the shirts and at the top of this page. [WEBSITE OWNERS: Feel free to put the MLC logo on your site with a link to http://www.fms-help.com/letter.htm. Thank you for helping!]
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Starr in WV 2/8/05
JUDITH - thanks for clarifying the LIGHT THERAPY. I mis-spoke and I apologize. I also have a full spectrum lamp that I use for cross stitching because the it makes the colors clear. The light bulb I bought my husband says that "it has a unique sky-blue coating that simulates natural sunlight by filtering dull, yellowing rays". And that may be the same type of bulb my boss put in her ceiling - however, I know at home she has one of the lamps sold especially for SAD and the one I saw at Walmart said it was also for SAD. If any of you read the PARADE magazine, there is one advertised in there called a "Balanced Spectrum" lamp that "simulates the full spectrum of daylight". It supposed to "bring the benefits of natural daylight indoors". It says it is made by "First Street", formerly TechnoScout. Is that the kind of lamp you are talking about - I think that is similar to what my boss purchased at home?
I apologize for causing some of the confusions. Thanks for setting us straight.
DEB/TX 2-8-05 10:30pm
Many hugs and THANKS to all of you who have had me in your thoughts and prayers over the last few days. My dear friend RENEE has passed on to be with the Lord whom she had great faith in. I am sure she is beside our friend Linda/Ky...We now have two wonderful ANGELS watching over all of us. I will be out of pocket for a few more days I journey with Renee to Lubbock to lay her to rest with her family. Keep me in your prayers for a few more days and I am scheduling a few major crash days on my calendar next week, then I hope to be back with you all supporting you! Many hugs and warm wishes DEB
BonBonshortnsweetFeb 09, 2005
Hello Deb: So sorry about your friend Renee.....Bless her now in Heaven, as well as your other friend Linda. God be with them, and yes I am sure they are beautiful angels now. Deb.....they didn't pass on, because of Fibro, did they? Sorry, just needed to know? BonBon
Judith Wednesday February 05 2005
STAR: I doubt the full spectrum lamp is a therapy lamp. They have to have 55 W. and 10,000 lumens. The company from which I purchased my therapy lamp also sells other therapy devices, including the box, different style lamps, and even a visor.They also sell other lamps, but they are not therapy lamps. They have to meet the above qualifications and say they are light therapy lamps for SAD.
BonBonshortnsweetFeb 09, 2005
Hello All:
Not feeling that great today. I think I've been over doing things. I felt really good the past few days, and when I do, I tend to over do it. That is when I know I will never really rid myself of this monster. I just have to pace myself......better said than done, and keep asking for Gods inspirations and help. Richard......I just wanted to let you know, I checked out that site the other day, "Father Love Letter", it was very inspiring and beautiful. Thanks...for letting us know. BonBon
Well.....hope everyone enjoys this day. Off to take my migraine medicine, think I need to slow down!!!
July, on Feb. 9
Well, darn about the light bulbs anyway. I did rent a lamp for a month once, but I couldn't tell that it helped. I can't sit still long enough to benefit from it! RESULTS of visit w/new doc today: He was an hour late and talked to me for 5 minutes. He gave me a B12 shot and a script for Trazadone, even though I asked about muscle relaxers. He PROMISED it wouldn't irritate my bladder and would cause me to sleep and not to gain weight, and would reduce pain. As for fibro in general, he said exercise regularly and avoid all chemicals: caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and preservatives! That was it. I got dressed for this? He also said the Trazadone is cheap. I'll try it for a couple of weeks; maybe I can cancel the rheumy appt. on the 23rd. He also said I can still take the melatonin and benadryl if I need to. Okay, maybe he talked to me for 6 minutes. RICHARD, I couldn't get that site to open for me. Other than that, the rest of today is mine to CRASH! Yea! HUGS to all.
July, on Feb. 9
Ya know . . . I just did a couple of quick checks on Trazadone. It is NOT a tricyclic, like he said it was. It IS a SSRI, like I specifically asked, are you sure it is not?? Hence, you CANNOT take it with melatonin, I CANNOT tolerate it, and I have taken it before; I knew it as Desyrel. Drat, drat, drat. Now I have to call and ask him to write the doggone muscle relaxer I requested in the first place. I'm willing to bet money it would have made me gain weight, too! Should have married a pharmacist . . .
July, AGAIN, on Feb. 9
Surprise. Me again. Finally got a pharmacist to answer the phone. She had to look it up?? Read, in monotone, "Not related to any other known antidepressant." So I'm going to as the experts. YOU: What kind of experience have my fellow guinea pigs (which are very cute, by the way) had with Trazadone? KatieLady says she craved carbs. Thanks for your help.
Aussie Kaye - 10 February 2005
Wish me luck everyone. I am going for my first session of Bowen Therapy today in the hope of getting some relief in my left elbow which has been driving me crazy for weeks. I usually have physio but that's becoming a cycle that's getting me nowhere, so it's time to try something different. If not I guess I can always chop it off - at the shoulder. Will let you know how it goes as I'm hoping there will be some benefit for the rest of the fibro too as this therapist also does Bach Flower Therapies. One can only try. Only down side is it's not covered by any health fund and I'm not sure yet how many sessions it will take.
steapahnie 2/09/05
Dee ~~~ Wednesday February 09, 2005
Hey Hi Ya'll....found a great web site for FULL SPECTRUM LIGHTING (below)
http://www.naturallighting.com/
In fact, it has lights that I didn't even know we needed...lol. Looking into
one for my fish now to keep them happy campers.
STARR...Never apologize for offering information that can be helpful.
Oh BonBon...sorry about the migraines. They are awful and my heart goes out
to anyone that suffers with them. And yes we tend to overdo when we feel good.
If we didn't, we wouldn't get anything done. You take care of yourself, and
yes, SLOW DOWN.
JULY (roflmao)....Well, I've never taken Trazadone but I loved the, FELLOW
GUINEA PIGS (which are very cute, by the way) comment you made. I needed
that little chuckle. Thanks my friend.
AUSSIE KAYE....Guess I'm not familiar with the therapies you speak of. But I
do wish you good luck, as I'm thinking, cutting your arm off would not be
the answer either. Let us know how things go.
Gentle Hugs Friends.....Dee
July, on Feb. 10
Good Morning! KAYE, let us know how it goes! I've tried Bach Flower, but you have to stay with something a long time and not try anything else new in the interum to know if it's working, and I'm not the "subtle" type. I'm more the "cut your arm off" type. Glad you're smarter than me! My neighbors tell me there's a real recreational abuse of muscle relaxers around here, which may be why a doc wouldn't prescribe them just because I say I have fibro. Why would you take a muscle relaxer at a party? Are they recreational sleepover parties??? I'm going to call and ask just the same. All yesterday I got a recording saying hours are 9 to 5 and the office is closed. Am in in the Twilight Zone? I'm wondering how it happens that so many of you get such good meds, and I can't even get one? I'm the common doc-neglect denominator here. I must be wearing a sign that says, "Don't Treat Me." Anyway, DEE, I'm laughing today too because I took a benadryl and finally slept. So this is what the world looks like! Now if only I didn't have to waste all this energy on work! Have a good Thursday, everyone. HUGS
Bonnie/IA - Feb 10
So much to read lately and so very much good information being posted. Thank you everyone.
I took Lexapro for a time and then found that it stopped working for me. It was good while it lasted. Now I am on Cymbalta. The doctors at the clinic I go to are giving it to all chronic pain patients. I understand it is fairly new to the U.S. but has been used in Europe for several years. Although an anti-depressant they found it also helped with pain. It seems to be working well for me.
I also have Trazadone for sleep, but don't take it regularly. I don't believe it's as strong as Ambien.
So sorry to hear about Linda/Ky. We are lucky to have known her if even for a short time.
The discussion on lighting is very interesting, I am also a SAD sufferer. Sun shining brightly today so I know I will feel better than usual. Take care everyone.
Robbi-Feb 10
Hi All. The seminar was great--I went early and did a little shopping at the outlet stores before the seminar started--there aren't a lot of cheap stores where I live, so it's like being a kid in a candy store. I made it to all the meetings, except Friday afternoon. Unfortunately, I didn't get out and "party" like I used to with everyone. They went to a brewery one night and a mexican restaraunt the next. I used to be the "last one down"--so it seemed really strange not to go out with everyone...ah, the good old days.
I did have to rest for a couple of days to recooperate. Went to an exercise class Tuesday pm, and have been sore ever since. Seems to relate to my menstrual cycle somehow--who knows???
The thyroid suppression is working, and I have been feeling less fatiqued. Two more months and then an ultrasound to see if the lumps on my thyroid have shrunk.
I get so angry when I go to a doctor and have to wait--15 minutes is okay, but an hour!?? Why don't they just reschedule you? Plus, when I drive 200 miles to see a Rheumy, I expect to talk to him for more than 5 minutes. It's hard to be your own advocate, but I'm finding I'm more outspoken these days. Kind of the squeaky wheel gets the grease...I'M paying them for THEIR time...
Well, lets all get lots of sunshine today!
Judith February 10, 2005
LIGHT THERAPY, YET AGAIN--I checked the site given, today. It is very interesting, but in my hasty look, I didn't see many lamps that were therapy lamps. I didn't tell where I purchased my light, because I didn't want to be commercial, but if you want to learn more, as I did, go to This site has a very good article on the subject, and they are very helpful and knowledgeble on the phone. Not all of their lamps are therapy lamps, either. Remember: 55 W, 10,000 lumens. The lamp or box or visor must say that it is for Seasonable Affective Disorder and/or is a therapy lamp. I don't want to seem so bossy, but I would have to have anyone waste money on a lamp that is not a therapy lamp, and, also, give up on the idea because the non-therapy lamp doesn't work. I just want others to have the great improvement I have had. We even took the plunge and bought tickets to fly south for a week, next month, with the optimism that I will be able to make the trip.
Judith February 10, 2005
The site I listed didn't come up on the message I just sent. I wonder why? It is
www.fullspectrumsolutions.com I hope this makes it, because I don't have time to read my message. DH is standing by, waiting for me to help with something.
Richard in Tucson........2/10/05
Good Morning All: I wish that I could stay and chat but I wasted too much time trying to get my computer working, looks like one of those days.
BonBon: I am glad you could see the Fathers Love Letter, your welcome.
July:Since you couldn't read it I thought I would copy what it says here bellow, the link is (http://www.fathersloveletter.com/flltextenglish.html )
This is how it reads.
My Child &
You may not know me, but I know everything about you. & Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up . & Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways . & Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. & Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image . & Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being . & Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring . & Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived . & Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation . & Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book.
& Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live
& Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made . & Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb . & Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born . & Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me & John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love
& 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you & 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father & 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could & Matthew 7:11
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand & James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs & Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope & Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love & Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore
...Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing & Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you & Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession & Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul
& Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things & Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me & Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart & Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires & Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine
& Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager & 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles
& 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you & Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart
& Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes & Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth
& Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus
& John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed & John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being & Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you
& Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins & 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled & 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you & 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love & Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me & 1 John 2:23
and nothing will ever separate you from my love again & Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen
& Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father
& Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is & Will you be my child? & John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you & Luke 15:11-32
Love, Your Dad. Almighty God
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I was not sure if it is OK to post this on this wall I felt compeled because its such a strong message Thank you all ....Richard....
Starr in WV 2/10/05
Hi, what a busy place. BONBOn - I think the other lamps and light bulbs just say they are the same as natural light as opposed to the flurescent light and the "white light" that I use for cross stitching and they probably might be easier on your eyes. I do have a friend that purchased a lamp like you are talking of specifically for his SAD.JULY - SSRI's must be the latest "fashion" for us because that is what Lexapro is, rather than a tricylic like Elavil. I have been on a muscle relaxer for about a month now - I think it is helpimg some. It's the skelaxin, which is a different type of med than the old Flexeril which I could not take.
Anyone had any experience with sciatic nerve pain - that seems to be what is bothering me most at night now. Because it is in the lower part of my back it affects my left leg and some nights I just cannot get comfortable. My daughter said try B-6 vitamin.
Wish me luck - I "interview" a new doctor tomorrow morning. He treats a lot of older patients (I guess I'm in that category now) and I specifically asked and he has patients with fibro. I also asked and he does write pain meds. I've had an interesting week trying not to take mine!!!It's snowoing here. Stay warm everyone.
Bonnie - Feb 10
Starr, your post mentioning vitamin B-6 reminded me that it is also good for symptoms of carpal tunnel. 100 mg daily was recommened by the hand surgeon who operated on my thumb. It's sure worth a try for anyone having wrist and hand pain. Not too expensive either.
Why aren't you taking pain meds? I might have missed the answer earlier, sorry if that is so. If we are among the lucky whose doctors will write a script then I do not want to be in any more pain than necessary. I take methadone faithfully. Mornings are terrible until it starts working. Since it is a narcotic, it's a real pain (pardon the pun) having to get a new script each time, but it certainly works for me, expecially with back pain.
Did you ever have Flexeril cause mood swings? Make you really mean and nasty? That happened to my hubby and the neighbor man. Completely opposite of what they usually are.
Two posts in one day is a record for me. Will shut up and read now. Hugs to all.
Katielady 2/10/05
Good Evening FM'ily- Starr- I have problems with my sciatic nerve. You may want to try laying on your back with a pillow under your knees or on your side with a pillow inbetween your knees. I can't sleep at all unless I do that. Gosh, and even then it doesn't seem like I sleep! What I wouldn't do for a good nights rest! I am in physical therapy right now, my spinal column ligaments are inflammed. I think I am going to have to find a different therapist. He thinks he can "fix" me if he can fix the gait of my walk! Plus he has me on my tummy (ouch!) and then pushes all the trigger points until it's downright painful. He told me it's supposed to hurt. No, it isn't! He's young and doesn't have a clue what fibro is all about. I am seeing my doctor tomorrow before I see him (they are all in the same practice) Hopefully, the doctor can explain the problem to the therapist. Wishing all a peaceful evening.
Starr in WV 2/1105
Thanks for the info on the B6 - I was just diagnosed last week with carpel tunnel in both arms (worse in the left) so I'll try the B6. I also used the pillow. My daughter in law had trouble with hers when she was pregnant and she slept with a little basketball pushed up against the small of her back so last night I tried that with a pillow and once I got settled it did seem to help.The reason I'm not taking my pain medication is because I'm almost out. My doctor of 25 years got sick last summer and it looks like he may not come back. The clinics around here are very reluctant to write scripts for pain meds. My sleep specialist and my neurologist will not right any scripts for pain meds at all - which really irritates me - so this morning I'm seeing a new doctor. I have an acquaintance who is his office manager and I asked her specifically if he treated people with fibro and she said he had other patients with it. She said he does write scripts for pain meds, usually on a monthly basis, which is fine with me, he isn't far from my office. I've been taking hydrocodone now for several years and have gotten along quite nicely with it.
I think it's really a shame that because other people have abused the system and obtained pain meds. under false pretenses - that those of us who really need it have to suffer for their actions. I printed off some articles from the pain management site that tell you how to contact your state government to have the laws changed, etc., and explains about addition, etc.
I've started taking the Lexapro but only .5 mg a day (I was given 10). It's hard to judge how it is affecting me because since I'm not taking much pain med. I'm not feeling very good anyway.
It's cold here. I hope everyone stays warm.
July, on Feb. 11
Ooo! BONNIE! Darrell offered me a flexeril last night. I took 1/4 of it. Maybe that's why I feel like whapping my doctor for not calling me back YET?? No, wait. Maybe that IS the way I usually am! I think on Monday I'll go back to the doc who made me cry (of frustration, is all) and tell him I solved the side-effects problem, now could we please get back to treating my fibro?? Frightening, isn't it, that you have to trust your physical well-being to someone who can't conduct civil conversations or return phone calls??? Too bad grocery clerks can't write prescriptions. The ones around here are really sweet. Friday! Yea! It's pretty bad when you look forward all week to the day you can get a NAP. Saturday! My sister looks forward to spring all year because she gets an extra hour's sleep when daylight savings time kicks in. HATES that loss in the fall, though . . .
Thanks, Richard, for the reprint. Wow! And thanks, all, for your info. I enjoy reading. HUGS
(I just realized, maybe the reason doctors aren't nice to me is because they read this Wall and see the mean things I say about them??)
Richard in Tucson....
Good morning to you,Good morning to you,
Were all in our places with bright shinning faces, this is the way to start agood day.(Not)
It's Just a feeling, I wish I could have.
July: I am glad your liked the reprint. I wish we all could be pain free today.
Bonnie: Flexeril cause mood swings,
I thought that the mood swings were only a symptom of the Fibromyalgia. I have mood swings all the time.
I have been taking Flexeril for over a year. The mood swings are hard on my relations with my wife and children.
Maybe I should ask my Dr. for something else for sleep.
Starr: Good Luck with the "interview" with the new doctor this morning.
Today I go to a Cardiologist for a stress test on the tred-mill.
I told my Primary Care Doctor, that I was having tightness in my chest, that I was not sure if It was from Anxiety or what, he said at my age we should check it out and make sure.
better safe than sorry, I had to agree.
Have a wonderful day and weekend.
GENTLE HUGS......Richard..

BonBonshortnsweetFriday, February 11, 2005
Good Morning To All: Not feeling terrible well this morning. Had to take my Imitrex (for migraines), as I felt like I was hit with a baseball bat this morning. Still feeling very lightheaded and groggy!! I hate when I am confined to the to the house like this, as I can't do much. Sun is out but, I need to stay in semi-darkness. Ouch!! I can also attribute this migrain to not taking part of my new heart medication. I forgot to take one pill yesterday, I think because, I had the therapist over, and he set me up with the CPAP (for Sleep Apnea). I used the machine and it seemed o.k. last night, a little hard to get used to though, but, never did I think I would be feeling this bad this mornin